Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

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What route should the third phase of streetcar expansion follow?

Linwood: Main to Michigan(71 Highway)
9
10%
Country Club ROW: UMKC to Brookside/Waldo
21
23%
Country Club ROW: UMKC through Brookside/Waldo to Prospect
13
14%
Linwood: Main to Emanuel Cleaver 2
9
10%
City/County Wide Rail Project
33
36%
Other
7
8%
 
Total votes: 92

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DaveKCMO wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:30 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:47 pm
Which one of these 3 is the one clogging up the most space on Main?

https://twitter.com/kclightrail/status/ ... 50949?s=20
Probably water or sewer due to the depth and they're mostly full replacements (rather than relocation).

You call it clogging, I call it traffic calming.
Clogging - gross word to use when talking about a sewer

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I prefer going E-W first before worrying about going across river, but that’s just me. Hopefully an E-W that will go to KU hospital as well.

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flyingember wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:21 am
The way to get votes is access to jobs.

It's why NKC works so well as a destination. Just based on ridership potential it's not there at all, the line is about bringing people to NKC.

It's why I so like the idea of crossing I-35 to get to NKC Hospital.
It's why I like a line to KU Med, for the jobs.
Both are 24 hour jobs centers

A paired expansion of NKC and Indep Ave could be an easier sell than either alone. NKC is closer than UMKC to much of this cooridor.
Going to NKCH was deemed unfeasible

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I don't know what the population is where this makes a difference, but Jackson County residents get discounts at Truman Med and UMKC clinics that they don't get at NKC. If one is hospitalized for any length of time, or has a surgery, these discounts can add up.

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Just curious, why didn't take the riverfront connection down 3rd street through Columbas park? More people served and better connection to HOA bridge.
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shinatoo wrote:
Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:30 pm
Just curious, why didn't take the riverfront connection down 3rd street through Columbas park? More people served and better connection to HOA bridge.
No way to get to the riverfront? Ground level is rail other option is a very expensive Bridge

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shinatoo wrote:
Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:30 pm
Just curious, why didn't take the riverfront connection down 3rd street through Columbas park? More people served and better connection to HOA bridge.
It would need to cross two railroads. Imagine the system shutting down constantly or building an expensive bridge

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normalthings wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:28 pm
flyingember wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:21 am
The way to get votes is access to jobs.

It's why NKC works so well as a destination. Just based on ridership potential it's not there at all, the line is about bringing people to NKC.

It's why I so like the idea of crossing I-35 to get to NKC Hospital.
It's why I like a line to KU Med, for the jobs.
Both are 24 hour jobs centers

A paired expansion of NKC and Indep Ave could be an easier sell than either alone. NKC is closer than UMKC to much of this cooridor.
Going to NKCH was deemed unfeasible
They actually said how in the 2014 study, take 18th Ave and go underneath there
There didn’t used to be a road connecting 18th to the hospital and now there is

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East West line to KCK will be studied next. Unified Gov/KU Med will help with funding.

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normalthings wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:12 pm
East West line to KCK will be studied next. Unified Gov/KU Med will help with funding.
Makes sense does that mean it’s definitely 39th?

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Riverite wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:17 pm
normalthings wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:12 pm
East West line to KCK will be studied next. Unified Gov/KU Med will help with funding.
Makes sense does that mean it’s definitely 39th?
It doesn’t say. Just the approvals for funding. Great first leg to take something to Johnson County

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I would like to see Southwest Blvd to Rainbow/KU MED with an opportunity to take it south into JoCo
Expansion Updates
a. Main St. Extension- Budget update and related next steps
b. Riverfront Extension: ACTION: Approve Updated Draft Project Agreement inclusive of
updated project cost estimates and amended local match contributions.
c. North Kansas City
d. East-West Study: ACTION: Approve allocation not to exceed to $75k to support east-
west transit/streetcar study, contingent upon equal or great contributions from KCATA, and the Unified Government and/or KU Med.

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Would the riverfront or E-W be built first?

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AlkaliAxel wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:51 pm
Would the riverfront or E-W be built first?
Riverfront is already funded and will open at the same time as the Mainstreet extension. Riverfront is a part of phase 2 if you will. East/West will either be phase 3 or 4.

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normalthings wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:54 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:51 pm
Would the riverfront or E-W be built first?
Riverfront is already funded and will open at the same time as the Mainstreet extension. Riverfront is a part of phase 2 if you will. East/West will either be phase 3 or 4.
I thought riverfront was projecting 2024 operation? Did it get pushed a year?
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Anthony_Hugo98 wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:10 pm
normalthings wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:54 pm
AlkaliAxel wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:51 pm
Would the riverfront or E-W be built first?
Riverfront is already funded and will open at the same time as the Mainstreet extension. Riverfront is a part of phase 2 if you will. East/West will either be phase 3 or 4.
I thought riverfront was projecting 2024 operation? Did it get pushed a year?
I think they want to try and get mainstreet opened in 2024 but have yet to make it official.

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Interesting KU Med is getting involved. $75k to get a multi-million dollar streetcar run to their building seems like a good deal. I will listen to what they say, but still think 12th st. is better way to get to Kansas. It's going to be hard to add density to east of Main st. on 12th or 39th st.

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alejandro46 wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:34 pm
Interesting KU Med is getting involved. $75k to get a multi-million dollar streetcar run to their building seems like a good deal. I will listen to what they say, but still think 12th st. is better way to get to Kansas. It's going to be hard to add density to east of Main st. on 12th or 39th st.
I view this as a way to get to JoCo not kck proper. Going down the 12th street viaduct will not be cheap or easy....

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normalthings wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:22 pm
Anthony_Hugo98 wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:10 pm
normalthings wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:54 pm


Riverfront is already funded and will open at the same time as the Mainstreet extension. Riverfront is a part of phase 2 if you will. East/West will either be phase 3 or 4.
I thought riverfront was projecting 2024 operation? Did it get pushed a year?
I think they want to try and get mainstreet opened in 2024 but have yet to make it official.
Fed infrastructure money helping? Or are they just gonna kick it into overdrive?
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There won't be any expansions beyond Riverfront and Main Street until there's a source identified for local operating costs. This is essentially just planning for regional funding. The infrastructure bill -- if it's actually approved -- will only provide capital and they won't give it without a clear financial model that covers operating.

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