KCI Flight Schedule Adjustments

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brewcrew1000 wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:32 pm
flyingember wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:58 pm
brewcrew1000 wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:54 pm
The days of our population size and hubs to smaller cities are over. You will see more point to point flying and thats about it (MCI-RDU on AA for example or MCI-MSY on DL). The only hub that exists like this now is Salt Lake City and its probably cause its geographically isolated. Cincinnati, Memphis, St Louis, Cleveland, Milwaukee all had hubs that you mention and those days are long gone
In the lower 48...


KC is the 38th biggest airport by enplanements
Every airport bigger than KC is a focus city for an airline except for New Orleans.

San Jose, #39, is a focus city with Delta
Cleveland, #47, is a focus city for Frontier
Frontier is flying to MCO, MIA, LAS, LAX type cities from Cleveland they are not flying to Dayton, Buffalo, Harrisburg PA

It makes no sense anymore to fly Cincinnati to Buffalo or a Memphis to Birmingham because airlines have consolidated so much
Which is it? Will we see more point to point flights not utilizing hubs or do they not make sense because airlines want to use hubs?

There's a flight from Birmingham to Atlanta, 150 miles away. Atlanta is obviously crazy busy so adding capacity to it would be much harder than other cities.

Assuming there's a lot of people making that specific trip, in the point to point model it makes sense to switch at least one flight to be a nonstop Birmingham to Memphis. It would be about half the total flight distance so it would be cheaper for the airline if they can fill the seats.

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flyingember wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:29 am
brewcrew1000 wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:32 pm
flyingember wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:58 pm

In the lower 48...


KC is the 38th biggest airport by enplanements
Every airport bigger than KC is a focus city for an airline except for New Orleans.

San Jose, #39, is a focus city with Delta
Cleveland, #47, is a focus city for Frontier
Frontier is flying to MCO, MIA, LAS, LAX type cities from Cleveland they are not flying to Dayton, Buffalo, Harrisburg PA

It makes no sense anymore to fly Cincinnati to Buffalo or a Memphis to Birmingham because airlines have consolidated so much
Which is it? Will we see more point to point flights not utilizing hubs or do they not make sense because airlines want to use hubs?

There's a flight from Birmingham to Atlanta, 150 miles away. Atlanta is obviously crazy busy so adding capacity to it would be much harder than other cities.

Assuming there's a lot of people making that specific trip, in the point to point model it makes sense to switch at least one flight to be a nonstop Birmingham to Memphis. It would be about half the total flight distance so it would be cheaper for the airline if they can fill the seats.
A220 would allow JetBlue or Delta to hit smaller markets from KC.

I don’t see us getting more P2P without traffic connecting in KC or O&D growing.

You either get enough pax to fill a plane, try a smaller plane, or don’t fly the route.

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I really feel like they're going to launch the new terminal with direct to Europe.

I'd be very surprised at this point if it doesn't happen.

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WoodDraw wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:27 pm
I really feel like they're going to launch the new terminal with direct to Europe.

I'd be very surprised at this point if it doesn't happen.
the biz journal spoke with Justin Meyer
Although JetBlue has no plans right now for additional flights out of KCI, its route structure has a big hole in the middle of the country. That could create opportunities, said Justin Meyer, deputy director for the Aviation Department. One potential avenue for additional flights could be routes dropped before the pandemic that haven't restarted, he said.

The new routes will give JetBlue about a year to build up its two new flights before KCI’s new single terminal opens, anticipated March 3, 2023.

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MCI to MIA on WN just added.

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Dustin, Sarasota and daily John Wayne added. Panama is going daily
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Sun Country just added 5 routes from Milwaukee, u would think KC would be considered very soon.

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brewcrew1000 wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:53 am
Sun Country just added 5 routes from Milwaukee, u would think KC would be considered very soon.
Once we get them, that would be almost every U.S. airline, major and minor, I do believe
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MCI ranked 41st according to Transtats up to Jan. IIRC it was around 30th when Vangard was operating. Other interesting tidbits...
https://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports. ... 4vr4=SNPgf

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Spirit just added 4 new routes from KC

Fort Lauderdale (FLL)
Fort Myers (RSW)
Pensacola (PNS)
Tampa (TPA)

The growth from Florida seems almost unsustainable, not from KC but the entire US is seeing massive growth to Florida or is Florida basically going to be the only vacation spot for people in the Midwest and East Coast?

I don't understand why people go to Florida in Summer, its super hot, so many weird things that happen in Florida, the state is a nightmare politics wise, would much rather go up North to a lake in Minnesota/Wisconsin/Michigan or California when the beaches are a little warmer.

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Spirit seats offered up 80%+ here from 2019 to 2021. More seats offered than United now.

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Southwest Airlines Announces Nine Flight Additions at Kansas City International Airport
Southwest Airlines announced that the carrier will add or resume service to nine U.S. cities from Kansas City International Airport (MCI) as part of a major system-wide expansion. Some cities are entirely new routes and some are pandemic-related service restorations.

The announcement comes as passenger numbers are on the increase as more and more Americans become vaccinated. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention just announced new guidelines for vaccinated people, stating that fully vaccinated people do not need to get COVID tests before or after domestic travel, and fully vaccinated people do not need self-quarantine after domestic travel.

“We are happy about Southwest’s decision to make significant increases here for Kansas City travelers just in time for summer,” said Pat Klein, director of Kansas City’s Aviation Department. “We are especially excited that our travelers will have the opportunity to enjoy new nonstop destinations.”

Routes to begin during summer 2021 are as follows:

Austin (AUS) 1 flight per day – Service restoration

Panama City (ECP) 5 flights per week – Service restoration. Was weekend only

Miami (MIA) 1 flight per week, Saturdays only – New nonstop destination from MCI for Southwest

Portland (PDX) 1 flight per week, Saturdays only – Service restoration

Pensacola (PNS) 1 flight per day – Service restoration. Was weekend only

San Diego (SAN) 6 flights per week - Service restoration

Orange County (SNA) 1 flight per day – New nonstop destination

Sarasota (SRQ) 1 flight per week, Saturdays only – New nonstop destination

Destin-Ft. Walton Beach (VPS) 1 flight per week, Saturdays only – New nonstop destination from MCI for Southwest

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I'm not seeing the nonstop to Milwaukee anymore, is that one gone for good

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FI liked KC and only left due to MAX issues. If travel rebounds quickly, I wouldn't be surprised if we see them back here.

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If we've learned anything, it's that people here like going to beaches

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WoodDraw wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:41 pm
If we've learned anything, it's that people here like going to beaches
Florida beaches. There hasn't been a massive increase in Texas or California beach destinations

We're going to Portland this summer, going to a beach town. Picked up that returned nonstop back without realizing it

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flyingember wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 8:40 am
WoodDraw wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:41 pm
If we've learned anything, it's that people here like going to beaches
Florida beaches. There hasn't been a massive increase in Texas or California beach destinations

We're going to Portland this summer, going to a beach town. Picked up that returned nonstop back without realizing it
Are you goin to Cannon Beach or Lincoln City? Both are great but kind of different, we got married in Cannon Beach in front of the Goonies rock. The water is really cold but the Oregon Coast is beautiful, we drove it all a few years back

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brewcrew1000 wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 9:27 am
flyingember wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 8:40 am
WoodDraw wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:41 pm
If we've learned anything, it's that people here like going to beaches
Florida beaches. There hasn't been a massive increase in Texas or California beach destinations

We're going to Portland this summer, going to a beach town. Picked up that returned nonstop back without realizing it
Are you goin to Cannon Beach or Lincoln City? Both are great but kind of different, we got married in Cannon Beach in front of the Goonies rock. The water is really cold but the Oregon Coast is beautiful, we drove it all a few years back
The Cannon Beach area.

Goal was to go somewhere cool for summer.

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Updated Summer schedule for Southwest (June 6 thru Sept 6)

29 destinations
Flights per day
Fri 42
Sat 54
Sun 48

I don't really know which of the routes with no flights are cut permanently or just temporarily. ABQ/IND/MSP/RDU do not show up on the schedule anywhere so if any are fully cut those are the most likely.

July 2021
Fri Sat Sun
ABQ
AUS 1 1 1
ATL 2 1 2
BWI 2 2 2
CHS 0 1 0
MDW 4 4 5
DAL 4 4 5
DEN 5 4 4
FLL 1 2 1
HOU 1 1 2
IND
LAS 3 3 3
LAX 1 0 1
MKE
MSP
BNA 3 3 3
MSY
LGA
OAK 1 1 1
MCO 3 6 3
PHX 3 4 3
RDU
SAT 0 0 1
STL 2 1 2
SAN 1 0 1
TPA 1 4 2
DCA
RSW 1 3 1
ECP 1 1 1
PNS 1 1 1
PDX 0 1 0
SEA 0 1 0
MYR 0 1 1
MIA 0 1 0
SNA 1 1 1
SRQ 0 1 0
VPS 0 1 1
Total 42 54 48

For comparison
last summer was 25 flights a day on all days
2019 was 72 61 74
change from 2019 per day
-42% -11% -35%

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Amazon Air launched daily KC cargo flights tofay. You heard about it first here when I reported the news last minth

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