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		<title>BDC: Smackings of Taxation</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:05:00 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>AlexJandro_Mi_amore at Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:46:00 -0600</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I think that you may be right, but I think the greater issue is higher taxes, and bigger city government.  I don't think the slide starts because all over a sudden people see crime, and the neighborhood starting to deteriorate.  I think a few smart people say "$6000 a year in property taxes for my middle class home!  No way, I am moving out to the burbs where I can get a 5 year tax abetment and after that my taxes will only be $3000 a year for the same value house." (Note: these people aren't evil or stupid, they are smart because over a 10 year period they are saving $45K)  And that is what starts the slide.  I don't think that taxing land will prevent this from happening (as long as they are still trying to collect the same amount of taxes.)<br><br>

Just my thoughts<br><br>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:46:00 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>bahua at Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:49:00 -0600</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Again, this is not a tax on property value. It is a tax on land value. Also, I wasn't trying in this essay to explain why people were leaving town. I was just saying that they are, and that is an abnormal thing, compared to the rest of human history.<br><br>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:49:00 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Julia_Gulia at Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:48:00 -0600</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[You crack me up sometimes!<br><br>
This is brillant, but i don't see how this can be done w/o grassroots.  I mean, cities are not just going to make these changes outright.  Perhaps a good way to start would be something you're not suggesting which could be to start in a small, suburban city.  Starting there would show the surrounding area how well it worked w/ them and thus encourage the larger cities to try as well.  So, what are you doing?  Are you talking w/ KC officials about this?  How are YOU becoming part of the solution?<br><br>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:48:00 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>r._heller at Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:44:00 -0600</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I have to agree with Alex and add to it.  I think that a big reason for the change in demographics for middle class individuals, is that people do not want to raise kids, or live in a city any more.  People have this impression that space = happiness.  We have this inherant drive to have more and more.  Sure it is materialism, but people want to enjoy the money that they are earning, from this wonderful society that is based on capitalism.  You just have to keep in mind that John Doe can not really enjoy his new Craftsman 30" deck riding lawn mower, in his 3'x6' patch of lawn in the city.  He wants a house that has 1/2 acre to mow, and a 2-3 car garage to keep the rest of his toy's.  You can only find that outside the city for a reasonable price.<br><br>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:44:00 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>bahua at Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:49:00 -0600</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Are you suggesting that materialism is an invention of the 20th century? If so, do some reading.<br><br>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:49:00 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>r._heller at Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:57:00 -0600</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I do not know where you came to the notion that I said materialism is an invention of the 20th century.  I feel that people want more out of life, and have the financial means now to afford more "TOYS" then they were before.  After WWII you started to see a surge in incomes and an expansion of the middle class due to the hard work of individuals trying to provide themselves, and their families a better life.  It had a slippery slope effect, and it really snowballed from the 70's and 80's.  During this time you saw huge growth of "The Burb's"................Good movie by the way.<br><br>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:57:00 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>AlexJandro_Mi_amore at Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:45:00 -0600</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[How does any of this explain the surge of people moving back into the cities.  How does this explain developers buying up slums near down towns, and rebuilding them.  People don't have less stuff....   I am telling you, it is ALL (ok 90%) about taxes.  Note:  the reason people are moving back to the cities is 1) They are tired of the commute and 2) Tax abetments.  <br><br>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:45:00 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>bahua at Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:09:00 -0600</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Okay, I am not trying to explain why anyone is moving to or from the cities. I simply said that it is and was happening(The Grave Problem). The principal purpose of the essay was to highlight a solution(A Fitting Solution). For the purposes of this essay, I don't care about whether people are moving because of tax abatements, a suddenly emergent desire for a lawn, or a penchant for fish.<br><br>

I was simply stating the <b>problem</b>. I wasn't trying to explain it, or place the blame on anyone or anything. I was only trying to propose a solution.<br><br>

I would like to hear your thoughts on the solution I proposed. Any comments that are trying to explain why people are moving away from cities are basically counterproductive, as that wasn't the purpose of this writeup and resulting discussion.<br><br>

Do you have anything to say about land tax, and why it will or will not work?<br><br>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:09:00 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Basho at Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:07:00 -0600</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[AHAHAHAH THIS SIGHT SUX VERY VERY GAY<br><br>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:07:00 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>Lev at Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:09:00 -0600</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Shouldn't you discover the reason people left the cities before you try to develop a solution to lure them back?<br><br>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:09:00 -0600</pubDate>
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			<title>bahua at Mon, 1 Sep 2003 00:23:00 -0600</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Luring them back isn't necessarily the intended result of the solution. Cities, without them, are still full of hundreds of thousands of capable people. They will come anyway, but if they don't, the city will still recover and prosper.<br><br>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 1 Sep 2003 00:23:00 -0600</pubDate>
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